»Fußball war immer auch weiblich«. Neuer Audiopodcast: »FRÜF« – »Frauen reden über Fußball«. Gespräch mit Kristell Gnahm und Rebecca Görmann

Frauen, Fußball, Podcast – eine mediale Lücke?

Kristell Gnahm: Mit »Lottes Erbinnen« (lotteserbinnen.de) gab es bereits einen Podcast über Frauenfußball, und in anderen Fußballpodcasts gehört teilweise eine Frau zum Team. Aber es gab eine Lücke: Dass zwei oder sogar mehr Frauen miteinander diskutierten, war die absolute Ausnahme. Anfang 2018 hörten Rebecca und ich dann unabhängig voneinander eine Fußballpodcastfolge mit zwei »Gästinnen« – das war ein richtiges Erweckungserlebnis.

Rebecca Görmann: Ich habe damals spontan auf Twitter meinen Wunsch nach einem Fußballpodcast nur mit Frauen gepostet. Die Resonanz war überwältigend: Nicht nur Kristell schrieb mir sofort, dass wir das gemeinsam machen sollten – viele waren sofort Feuer und Flamme, wollten es auch hören oder baten sich als Mitpodcasterin an. Das hat uns auch in unserer Idee bestärkt, das Projekt als Kollektiv aufzuziehen. »FRÜF – Frauen reden über Fußball« gibt es seit März 2019.

Die erste Sendung nach dem Piloten kann man seit dem 4. April nachhören – Thema: »(Weibliche) Fußballsozialisation«. Der Weg zum Fußball, wie war das bei Ihnen?

Gnahm: Als Neunjährige erlebte ich mit der WM 1990 mein erstes großes Turnier, und seitdem hat mich der Fußball nie mehr ganz losgelassen. Seit circa 2006 begleite ich den FC Augsburg durch Freud und Leid und habe es trotz der momentanen Leidensphase nie bereut.

Görmann: Mein erstes Turnier, an das ich mich erinnere, war die EM 1992, da war ich fünf. Glaubt man meinem Vater, selbst HSV-Fan, bin ich als »Akt der Abnabelung« 1997 zum VfL Wolfsburg gekommen. Mit dem Umzug nach Potsdam kam dann 2007 ein Faible für die Turbinen dazu.

Ist der Fußball, wie man hin und wieder liest und hört, »weiblicher« geworden? In der Berichterstattung, auf den Rängen, in den Vereinen und Vorständen?

Gnahm: Im Grunde war der Fußball immer auch weiblich, oder besser: einfach für alle da – zumindest auf den Rängen, aber nachweislich auch auf dem Rasen. Dass Frauen heutzutage mehr wahrgenommen werden, liegt eher daran, dass sie sich einfach nicht mehr mit der ihnen zugewiesenen Rolle in der zweiten Reihe zufriedengeben.

Görmann: Gleichzeitig sollten wir nicht vergessen, dass es Frauen im Fußball heute auch immer noch mit viel Hass, Missachtung und Ungleichbehandlung zu tun habe, egal ob Kommentatorin, Fan, Funktionärin oder Spielerin. Wir haben alle noch viel zu tun.

Ob im Stadion oder TV – Teams im BRD-Frauenfußball klagen über einen Rückgang der Zuschauerzahlen. Der zwischenzeitliche Hype, den der Frauenfußball nach erfolgreichen EM- oder WM-Auftritten des Nationalteams erfährt, lässt sich offenbar nicht verstetigen. Woran liegt’s?

Gnahm: Der Männerfußball wird auf dem Silbertablett präsentiert. Will man hingegen die Frauenbundesliga sehen, muss man erst einmal recherchieren, welcher Sender heute das Spiel übertragen könnte. So wird es Interessierten ziemlich schwergemacht, zu Fans zu werden.

Der Bundesligist FC Augsburg erzähle mehr über seine E-Sport-Abteilung als über seine Frauenabteilung, heißt es in einem Wortbeitrag in Ihrer Sendung. Was drückt das aus?

Gnahm: Das ist wohl ein Zeichen dafür, dass die Frauenabteilung im Stellenwert ungefähr auf dem Niveau der unteren Jugendmannschaften eingeordnet wird. Gleichzeitig gibt es sie schon so lange, dass ein Novum wie der E-Sport vermeintlich mehr Erzählenswertes zu bieten scheint. Allerdings ist die Frauenabteilung des FCA noch weiter vom Frauen-Profibereich entfernt als ihre männlichen Kollegen vom Gewinn der Meisterschaft.

Görmann: Das ist ja auch kein Thema, das nur an einem Verein hängt. Die Ungleichbehandlung des Frauenfußballs in eigentlich allen relevanten Punkten muss sich dringend ändern. Dafür ist aber eine Bewusstmachung und ein Eingestehen bei Verantwortlichen wie bei uns Fans notwendig. Wir müssen das strukturell und selbstkritisch angehen.

Der Posten des Präsidenten des Deutschen Fußballbundes (DFB) ist nach dem Rücktritt von Reinhard Grindel vakant. Wer sollte ihm nicht nachfolgen?

Gnahm: Unsere »FRÜF«-Kollegin Mara Pfeiffer hat diese Frage kürzlich in einem Artikel in der Wochenzeitung Der Freitag sehr schön erläutert: Egal, wer ihm nachfolgt, es ist Zeit, dass es eine Sie ist. Der DFB könnte von einer Frau auf dieser Position enorm profitieren und endlich einen neuen, progressiven Weg einschlagen. Verdiente Kandidatinnen gibt es im deutschen Fußball mehr als genug.

Was kommt in »FRÜF« Nr. 2?

Görmann: Zu viel wollen wir noch nicht verraten, aber wir werden uns mit einem Thema beschäftigen, das zum Zeitpunkt des Erscheinens Anfang Mai sehr viele Fans des runden Leders emotional bewegen wird.

Quelle: https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/352904.fu%C3%9Fball-fu%C3%9Fball-war-immer-auch-weiblich.html?fbclid=IwAR16JJC3OyKzwsPasrsCdXZf6Yu5B7QXPTWYmVnplavwz9VPHg8G0T7kK00

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